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[DanAddison]

Dan 0.8w is what we use as the reference satellite in the uk. If you took down your dish and motor guessing that would have been set at 0.8 before you took it down and then transferred it to the ground mount. If you put the motor on the pole and rotated the motor on the pole until you got thor this still may mean the pole is out slightly. 0.8w is the top of the arc for us.

++if your pole is even ever so slightly out you will pick up 0.8 but as you move the motor east or west it will miss those sats. Also if your ground mount is not sturdy it will miss those sats as the pole rocks left or right.+++

yea so i am resorting to putting the pole back into the ground again (the only place i can put the pole up is in the mud at the side of my grass) (and cementing it in the ground properly) hopefully when its cemented in it wont blow down or move in the wind, when i put my dish/motor back on it, fingers crossed then ill realign it again and hopefully i will be able to pick up all the satellites i want again, see my picture here for my current process of install the ground mount pole back in the ground here > ( ) < this is before i cement it in the ground, do u think it will be ok? once i have cemented it in the ground and moved the wooden stakes etc? just hope the cement goes rock hard before the weather changes here in my location (hopefully it stays sunny)

although now that the dish is still ground mounted im struggling to get 0.8w on my octagon sf8008 due to me resetting it to factory settings and it removed my long and lat (this sounds weird but it was slightly different to what it says on dishpointer, but cant remember what long and lat i put on there when i set it up as it worked), but when i added the long and lat from dishpointer the dish moves to 0.8w and then moves west again for some weird reason and i reset the motor and that long and lat doesnt work with it for some weird reason dont no why, wish i could remember what i set it to before the reset), gonna search my hdds to see if i have a screenshot of the settings from my sf8008, to see if i can realign it ready for adding dish to the pole

 

[kegnkiwi]

There seems to be a lot of parts within your set up that could move easily.

I have a 2nd fixing that is fixed low to the ground but I do it off of a building.

 

[moonbase]

Where is the concrete going to go, in the outer pipe and around it where the stakes are?
If that is correct, I am not sure if it will be enough to anchor the central pole?

 

[DanAddison]

Where is the concrete going to go, in the outer pipe and around it where the stakes are?
If that is correct, I am not sure if it will be enough to anchor the central pole?

the concrete is going around the bottom of the pole and the stakes will be taken out once it starts to set, if the pole moves when the concrete starts to set i will leave the stakes in the ground inorder for it to keep it as it is at the moment, will let u know once it has been done

 

[moonbase]

Have you attached any "anti-spin" bracketry to the part of the pole that is in the concrete to prevent it spinning in the hole in the future?
A couple of holes through the pole at 90 degrees to each other with a long bolt secured through them is one option for "anti-spin".

 

[DanAddison]

Have you attached any "anti-spin" bracketry to the part of the pole that is in the concrete to prevent it spinning in the hole in the future?
A couple of holes through the pole at 90 degrees to each other with a long bolt secured through them is one option for "anti-spin".

hey no i havnt, do u have any pics of this? i have just completed the concreting now waiting for it to set, hopefully by tomorrow it will go rock hard, fingers crossed the pole doesnt move i wont add the dish till its completly set just incase when i add the dish/motor to it i dont want it to move the pole then make it out of alignment again

 

[DanAddison]

Or do u mean the bracket like in the picture above? I cant do that as my pole is near a wooden fence which doesnt belong to me so i cant add a bracket to it, the dish on the motor moves whens its very windy here in the uk,so is it best to make the bolts tight at the bottom of the motor mount which is attached to the pole so it doesnt move? And then leave the top bolts not tight so the dish can lock onto feeds

 

[DanAddison]

so i removed the stakes, made the hole abit more deeper than i did when i send that pic lastnight, hopefully the pole will be good enough to add the dish to tomorrow (if i get chance after work), hopefully then i can it get realigned again

 

[moonbase]

Or do u mean the bracket like in the picture above? I cant do that as my pole is near a wooden fence which doesnt belong to me so i cant add a bracket to it, the dish on the motor moves whens its very windy here in the uk,so is it best to make the bolts tight at the bottom of the motor mount which is attached to the pole so it doesnt move? And then leave the top bolts not tight so the dish can lock onto feeds

I meant something that protrudes from the part of the pole that is submerged in the concrete to prevent the pole from having any chance of spinning in the concrete. I am not referring to the dish mount/motor spinning on the pole, I am referring to the actual pole spinning in the concrete.

'ere, cop for this picture, the part of the pole with the fins welded to it is submerged in the concrete, the fins prevent spinning of the pole. You can do the same thing with a long bolt through the pole.

 

[DanAddison]

I meant something that protrudes from the part of the pole that is submerged in the concrete to prevent the pole from having any chance of spinning in the concrete. I am not referring to the dish mount/motor spinning on the pole, I am referring to the actual pole spinning in the concrete.

'ere, cop for this picture, the part of the pole with the fins welded to it is submerged in the concrete, the fins prevent spinning of the pole. You can do the same thing with a long bolt through the pole.

its to late as i have already concreated it into the ground, so what can i do above ground to stop it moving? as its infront of a fence that i dont own, what do u mean long bolt through the pole.?

 

[DanAddison]

i do have this in my shed but im not sure it will reach my pole (as close to the ground as i can get it) as its to far away from the fence (hopefully it reaches/i might get away with fixing it to fence without neighbour noticing it lol), but ill try it tomorrow after work to see if it reaches and will post here with updates once complete, weather premitting etc

 

[moonbase]

its to late as i have already concreated it into the ground, so what can i do above ground to stop it moving? as its infront of a fence that i dont own, what do u mean long bolt through the pole.?

It is too late to place a long bolt through the pole, it would have gone in the section submerged in the concrete.

Instead of welding fins to the pole as "anti spin", drilling holes throught the pole and securing a bolt through them is an alternative.
Normal procedure would be to lay the pole flat and vertically drill through the pole giving a hole on each side. Pass a piece of threaded rod or a bolt through the holes and secure in place with nuts.
The protruding lengths of threaded rod/bolt on either side of the pole are submerged in the concrete and provide "anti spin".

I just checked your original post in the topic, your dish is only 100cm. I am not sure if any anti-spin measure would be needed unless it was regularly exposed to strong wind.
Perhaps something to consider for the future if you decide to increase dish size to something larger?

 

[DanAddison]

It is too late to place a long bolt through the pole, it would have gone in the section submerged in the concrete.

Instead of welding fins to the pole as "anti spin", drilling holes throught the pole and securing a bolt through them is an alternative.
Normal procedure would be to lay the pole flat and vertically drill through the pole giving a hole on each side. Pass a piece of threaded rod or a bolt through the holes and secure in place with nuts.
The protruding lengths of threaded rod/bolt on either side of the pole are submerged in the concrete and provide "anti spin".

yea, what should i do now then? i did drill a hole in the top part of the pole (awhile back) to add guy wire to it but tht wont help now will it? as thats near the top of the pole not the bottom, what about something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_qWJHOlSY&ab_channel=FIRSTCLASSAMATEUR do u think this could work?

 

[moonbase]

yea, what should i do now then?

Hope the pole dont spin !

I dont think it will spin with a 100cm dish, especially if it is in a sheltered location. The wind loading on the dish would be about as strong as a vindaloo fart.
Now that you have concreted the pole into place, the less tampering you do with it the better, particularly as the volume of concrete might not be great.

 

[DanAddison]

Hope the pole dont spin !
I dont think it will with a 100cm dish, the wind loading on the dish is about as strong as a vindaloo fart.

yea i hope it doesnt to, i mean it is still inside a metal ground thing (the gold thing u can see in my pic on page 1), but i made the hole more deeper than in that picture i posted lastnight, and covered the gold metal ground thing with the pole with cement in the ground, i will check it after work tomorrow to see if its gone rock hard, fingers crossed it has, lol vindaloo fart thats funny, if the pole does move or come lose, blow down again i will remove the concrete from the bottom and add the fins or metal bar or whatever to the bottom (inside of the hole) to stop it moving like u said, but only if the cement hasnt set properly or if it blows down again, fingers crossed it wont blow down etc, but ill let u know when i have added the dish to it/checked the cement etc, the edge of the grass is the only place i could put it up due to the line of sight for the satellites thats the best place it could go, as it couldnt go on the side of my house as it has crappy render and wouldnt hold the weight of the dish, so thats why its going to be ground mounted on a pole, i had it up on a pole for a few months untill the wind blew it down (which was really annoying), bloody uk weather, so decided to put it back up again now and hopefully it will stay up (for as long as possible) , when it was up on the pole (last year now) i was able to get thor 0.8w, astra 28.2e, astra 23.5e, 16e, 10e, 13e, etc so fingers crossed i can get them again when its back up, love feed hunting its great and funny to see what happens BHTS

 

[Ferret]

yea so i am resorting to putting the pole back into the ground again (the only place i can put the pole up is in the mud at the side of my grass) (and cementing it in the ground properly) hopefully when its cemented in it wont blow down or move in the wind, when i put my dish/motor back on it, fingers crossed then ill realign it again and hopefully i will be able to pick up all the satellites i want again, see my picture here for my current process of install the ground mount pole back in the ground here > ( ) < this is before i cement it in the ground, do u think it will be ok? once i have cemented it in the ground and moved the wooden stakes etc? just hope the cement goes rock hard before the weather changes here in my location (hopefully it stays sunny)

although now that the dish is still ground mounted im struggling to get 0.8w on my octagon sf8008 due to me resetting it to factory settings and it removed my long and lat (this sounds weird but it was slightly different to what it says on dishpointer, but cant remember what long and lat i put on there when i set it up as it worked), but when i added the long and lat from dishpointer the dish moves to 0.8w and then moves west again for some weird reason and i reset the motor and that long and lat doesnt work with it for some weird reason dont no why, wish i could remember what i set it to before the reset), gonna search my hdds to see if i have a screenshot of the settings from my sf8008, to see if i can realign it ready for adding dish to the pole

Looking at this pic.

What is the footprint of the concrete? How far down the pole does it go ? And what type of area around the pole does the concrete cover ?

In weight terms how much concrete did you use ?

 

[DanAddison]

Looking at this pic.

What is the footprint of the concrete? How far down the pole does it go ? And what type of area around the pole does the concrete cover ?

In weight terms how much concrete did you use ?

I made the whole deeper, put the pole in the gold ground mount (as seen in this pic) into the hole (which is 2 feet deep) and cemented it in, im gonna check it after work today to see if its gone rock hard, so the cement i used covers half of the bottom of the hole, the ground mount and the top part of the hole, the pole its self is 6 feet tall, and now that its in the ground its 4 foot tall

 

[DanAddison]

Update 15/2/23 2.42pm, i have mounted my dish to my pole and aligned to 0.8w and i can get a signal on my xfinder3 just fine, now trying my sf8008 to see if i get the same there

 

[DanAddison]

Update: i have brought the 12" T & K Wall Mounting Galvanized Bracket & V Bolts Aerial Mast Pole Install, to fix to the neighbours fence (hopefully they wont see it), as an extra support so my pole doesnt blow down in the wind etc, will post here again when its arrived, when i have attached it to the fence & pole and when i have my dish fully aligned , fingers crossed all goes well

 

[DanAddison]

Update 17/2/23: dish locks onto thor 0.8w again now that its on the pole , currently working on getting it to track the arc correctly (almost there) , also waiting on my hellobox 8 to arrive hopefully that will work better than my sf8008 (currently being a pain in the ass)